By Derich Jester

No matter what I post here, it will not stop the debate. 

People will always think Jesus is God, and others will always think he is not God. There will always be verses and translations in the Bible that make it sound like Jesus is God. There is nothing I can do about that. After I make this thread, and do this lesson, it's not going to make those verses and translations magically change. However, I do know God, and I know the story through what God has shown me. So I will post what I know here, and explain who Jesus was, and is.

I'll clear up some translations issues and how things were left up to the translators, not as though they just made up what they wanted, but how they could use the words which they translated from, to swing the translations to their belief, and the people who did these translations believed in the trinity.**

John 14:8: 

Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

9. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

Just looking at that verse, people will say Jesus is God.

John 5:37:

And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

Looking at both verses, if Jesus is Father the verses can't work. In one verse Jesus said if you have seen me you have seen the Father. In another, he is talking to the religious leaders and said they have never seen the Father's shape or heard his voice. If people think Jesus is God, this causes so many problems and it's a never ending argument. 

If Jesus was the Father, then these verses can't be reconciled. If Jesus was an agent of God, doing God's will, then these verses can be reconciled. The context of the surrounding verses in both passages, show that Jesus was an agent of God, not the Father himself. Jesus would not be able to lie. Jesus told them they had never heard the Father's voice, while they were listening directly to him. Jesus said they had never seen the Father's shape, but also other passages say he is the image of the invisible God. 

My point in all this, is there are translation issues, and there are passages that are not literal but are speaking in a representative sense. It's absolutely INSANE to think Jesus is God, for more reasons than I can talk about, but I'm doing this for understanding because God has given me understanding. I also don't fuck around and say nice scholarly bullshit. So, this is about showing what they did with the Bible to make it seem like Jesus was some part of equal God in the trinity, when in Reality he was Just God's representitive on Earth. I'll just go right to the true understanding of Jesus, and then deal with the other verses, beliefs, and translation issues.

1 Corinthians 15:24:

Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27. For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is **EXCEPTED** which did put all things under him.

28. And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Revelation 3:21: To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Matthew 28:18: And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is **GIVEN** unto me in heaven and in earth.

God is the creator, He creates all things, and he is truth, those who tell the truth are one with God. Jesus never said a wrong word, he never sinned, he was born of a virgin, he is the greatest thing that God has done on this earth in the history that we know of. 

For Jesus to change the way creation worked he had to be given all authority, he had to sit on his Father's throne, but he is not the only one that sat on his throne, so did the believers in Christ. For Jesus to change the way the spiritual-physics worked he had to be given that authority and sit down on his Father's throne, sit on the creator's throne to change the dynamics of creation.

Had Jesus not been given all authority, then there would have been division. Some people would have been able to say, I am in Christ, and others would have been able to say they weren't in Christ but they were in God. For God to do his work, someone had to obey, if no one could obey, then God could not do a work. If no one could obey, then no one could do a work for God. 

So the truth about Jesus, is, that he was one in God, but what God could do is give Jesus all authority and create new things. Jesus could not give God authority or create new things. 

For all intents and purposes Jesus was God for a time because God gave him all authority. 

God is not a human, he is something that we could never really explain. It is impossible to know what it is like to be God, so God will always have aspects of himself that no one could ever understand because no one could go through what God went through, no one could be the creator or perfect. 

When Jesus did the work of his Father, then you can call him God, because the only essence he did was of God, it was God's spirit guiding him.

From Jesus' ascension to heaven until his finished work, he was the only God anyone could access. No one could go to God without going through Jesus. Jesus had to obey God in life, in death, in the grave, in the resurrection, in the ascension, and in his return and finished work. That way going through life gave him authority in life, going through death gave him the keys to death. 

Going to the grave gave him the authority over the grave. Resurrection gave him the power of life to give to others. Ascension to heaven allowed him to have authority in heaven and be able to send the same spirit he had back to the people on earth. All power in heaven and earth was given to Jesus, and not a soul could enter heaven without him, and he could not have done what He did, without God.

2 Corinthians 5:18: And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

19. To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

That verse is the understanding of who Christ was. All things are of God. 

God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself. How could God do a work without it being God? It would have been lacking God if Christ wasn't doing his work.

Here's the problem we have, the biggest problem. People 250 years after Christianity Ended, got together and debated over who Jesus was. They didn't know the many differing beliefs, no one knew which one was right, so these people that know nothing of the real Jesus, or the work that God did, tried to come to the most appeasing, politically correct, middle road to understanding who Jesus was. Trying to make it okay for the differing beliefs. What they came up with was a trinity, that makes no sense and not even a trinitarian can explain, even though they think they could. So the translators, did some things with words, that they didn't have to do, but to make it sway to their side, they chose to word things a certain way.

I'll show you what they did with certain verses:

Isaiah 9:6: 

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

“And his name shall be called,” is a normal thing in Jewish literature. It doesn't mean it would be his name. Just means what he would represent.

“And the government on his shoulders,” meant he would bear the burden (shoulders) of authority. God gave him authority. 

Even trinitarians don't believe that “Everlasting Father” meant God the Father. The word it is translated from just means, protector, ruler, or provider. 

Today Christians read that and say look He's the Father. No one who knows much of anything, actually believes that. 

Now “Mighty God,” Isaiah 9 and 10 uses the same word, and clearly in 10 it is referring to God. 

The Hebrew word we have today is El Gibbor. 

If you read Isaiah 9 and 10 it is talking about the time that Jesus would come and a remnant of Israel would be saved, and the rest would be left desolate. Jesus did have this authority from God. God gave it to him, and Jesus would be known as El Gibbor, the Mighty God. Still has nothing to do with Jesus' name actually being or meaning mighty God, but it is the work that he did. 

“And the Lord of Hosts would perform it.” A child being born unto them that would save the remnant and establish David's throne forever. 

Which the following verses explain.**

Isaiah 9:6: 

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

7. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

Like with many things, that word “increase" doesn't mean people would be added to his kingdom forever, it literally means “greatness.” 

The greatness of his kingdom there would be no end. 

It is God that performed that work. Unto them a child was born and his name was called Emanuel meaning God with us. Jesus would be a child born unto them and his name would be known as the Mighty God, or God being with them.

What Jesus' name did mean was, or what his actual name was, was Yahweh's salvation.

John 20:28: 

“And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.” 

You'll hear this verse a lot, but the problem is, the word “God" here, is the word “Theos" and it can mean many things. Here's some other verses with Theos in them.

2 Corinthians 4:4: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Acts 14:11: And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men.

Psalms 82:6: I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

Philippians 3:19: Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.

In these verses Satan was a god, Pagan gods used the same word, their bellies being god was the same word. People being gods was the same word. To me it's very strange they capitalized God in "whose God is their Belly. The point is, Thomas saying my Lord and my God doesn't mean Jesus was God, but rather a ruler or figure of authority to Thomas.

Psalms 45:6:

Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.

7. Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

8. But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

9. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

In Psalms in the Hebrew language, this reads as Thy Throne O Elohim, is for ever and ever, and Therefore Elohim, Thy Elohim. 

In the book of Hebrews, it reads Theos all three times. Psalms and Hebrews is clearly talking about a ruler of the throne of David, and calls him God in the sense of Elohim, and Theos. BUT, just as with Theos, Elohim doesn't always mean God almighty.

Genesis 1:1: In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Exodus 20:3: Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Deuteronomy 32:17: They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not.

Psalms 82:6: I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

Exodus 21:6: Then his master shall bring him unto the judges (Elohim); he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever.

Exodus 7:1: And the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god (Like Elohim) to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.

Psalms 8:5: For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels (Elohim), and hast crowned him with glory and honour.

In the Passages we are discussing, we see Elohim/Theos used in the same passage but in different ways. 

Now if God called his children Elohim, and Moses Elohim, he wasn't going to call the Messiah less. 

In one passage in the Old and The New Testament, the same was used for "He made him a little lower than the Elohim/Theos (Angels). They Throne O Elohim/Theos (Davidic King). Therefore Elohim/Theos (God Almighty), but the Most important part is he said THY Elohim. So To the Elohim, he was made a little lower than the Elohim, but his Elohim anointed him.

The most important part is that God is the one that anointed Jesus. Jesus had a God.

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